Sunday, January 04, 2009

Adventists & Feast Keeping

I wasn't really aware of the strength of the trend towards the keeping of the Old Covenant feasts within Adventism until reading this article by Dale Ratzlaff and a Seventh-day Adventist minister (who obviously felt more comfortable maintaining anonymity!). I'd be interested in anyone's thoughts on this topic.

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  1. Hmm...really interesting article, i'm srurpised this isn't talked about more.

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  2. When I arrived at my first church district in Texas, 6 of the 13 church board members were keeping the O.T Feasts and expected the church to turn in that direction.

    It was a tough situation to deal with of course. We were not going to keep the feasts nor the year of Jubilee or other such ideas.

    They had a lot of written material to pass out and worked hard to get their ideas into the congregation. When I stood in the pulpit and said that we were not going to be a feast keeping church, 4 families left and did not return. It was a painful day.

    I had to study the feasts for myself so that I could deal with the matter. I found them to be extraordinary events and reminders of God's character and will for His people. I also came to the conclusion that you could learn a lot from them, but they were not mandatory for us today. In fact, the lessons that Israel learned from the feasts were difficult for us to learn, in some cases impossible because we cannot reproduce the conditions they had in Israel. Take a look at the website of the Biblical Reserve in Israel called Neot Kedumim for some excellent material on life in Israel during OT times. Their books describe the feasts in detail and how they could only be celebrated in Israel, with its specialized weather patterns, agrarian society and Theocratic government.
    Site for Neot Kedumim.
    http://www.n-k.org.il/public/english/index.htm

    There are a number of signs that someone is leaning toward feastkeeping as a means of salvation and I have seen them in more than a few churches since then. I don't get too worried if someone wants to keep the feasts for themselves and their family, but when they start making it a part of their salvation and the salvation of other church members, I would take a stand.

    The folks who I dealt with who were feastkeepers were some of the most energetic, hospitable and committed members I have ever known. I was deeply saddened by their loss to us when this set of teachings brought a split to our church.

    If a pastor or church leader can learn enough about these topics to catch the matter early, then I think he/she can be well ahead of letting it turn into a confrontation, at least I hope so.

    A quick read of the article you posted looks like there is a lot of truth there. I don't know how deep these teachings reach into our church nor how many leaders are sympathetic to it, but I think the tenor of the article is accurate and fair.

    Once again the study of the feasts is a most enlightening and beautiful study into the character of God and His care for Israel but not salvific to us today.

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  3. Though I am not a Seventh-Day Adventist, I am a Sabbath keeping Christian, and in addition to observing the seventh-day Sabbath I also observe the annual holy days and feasts given by God in the Old Testament.

    No one should think that keeping the Old Testament feasts will justify us with God or save us, or that we can earn our salvation by keeping them. But that is also true for the weekly Sabbath and the other commandments of God, including all of the Ten Commandments. We keep them, not because keeping them justifies us or earns salvation, but because we have repented and resolved to obey God and do what pleases Him.

    The Feast of Tabernacles will be kept during the millenium after Christ returns to this earth (Zechariah 14:16-19).

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  4. I think this last one is the most reasonable response. If people find meaning in the feasts there is no reason a pastor should stop them. However, it should be made clear to the congregation that it is not mandatory nor part of our salvation (it's a work).
    I have not heard this though our localchurch once had a Messianic Jew come in and do passover with us. To me passover is like communion, and I don't see that Jesus ever replaced passover with something called communion. But that is only a label. I would say it is passover by another name.
    Pastors need to be careful in how they relate to harmless traditions and just preach salvation by Christ alone. They will get the message.
    Our church needs to allow diversity in thought and practice but teach tolerance to those who want to push their traditions on others.

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  5. Hi author@ptgbook.org

    Do you also believe that sacrifices will be practiced during this period (Zech 14:21)?

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  6. I believe prophecy indicates that there will be animal sacrifices for a time in the future, either during the millenium or the white throne judgment.

    If that is correct, I know that the purpose of the animal sacrifices would not be justification for our sins. Only the sacrifice of Christ can do that. Nevertheless, animal sacrifices may serve an educational purpose to help the people in the millenium or white throne judgment understand the sacrifice of Christ.

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  7. I have read that Jesus kept them, and all of His followers kept them long after. Paul said to continue keeping them, and then this pastor said it is not necessary?

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  8. Hi Norman

    What evidence is there for what you have read I wonder? Jesus would have -- he was a Jew. But where does Paul say to keep them?

    Steve

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  9. I think there is strong evidence in the Bible that the Church should keep the annual holy days today. I have recently done a Bible study on this subject which I have posted in my blog.

    The main evidence that God's annual holy days should be kept is Jesus's statement that till heaven and earth pass away not one jot or tittle would pass from the law. Some things in the law have changed, but those things have changed that have to change out of necessity, according to Hebrews. Primarily what has changed are things relating to the priesthood, such as animal sacrifices. But the actual observance of these holy days by the people had little to do with the Levitical priesthood or animal sacrifices. The people did not sacrifice animals and offer them at the alter - only the priests could do that for the sacrifices offered on the holy days. The people observed the days by resting and assembling for services, just as the church members who observe these days do today.

    Paul told the Corinthians "let us keep the feast" and he said this in the context of unleavened bread. The book of Acts records Paul stating that he intented to keep the feast in Jerusalem. There is also the prophecy that the Feast of Tabernacles will be kept in the millennium.

    God shows things by context, and just as He shows the importance of the weekly Sabbath by putting the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments, He also shows the importance of the annual holy days by listing them with the weekly Sabbath in Leviticus 23, calling both the weekly Sabbath and the annual holy days, "the feasts of the Lord" and "My feasts".

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  10. what most SDA members dont know is that this church was founded on the knowage of Gods feasts days, LEV 23. look at the first one in the list,do you want to nail that one to the cross? God never called them jewish, they are his feasts.(MO"EDS)the millerrites saw that christ fulfilled the first half (spring and mid summer ones) but ,has not fulfilled the fall ones (the last three) if you study EX 13 you will find that God inserts passover in his law, and He has a season,Remember the devil has a counterfeic for every thing God has. thats why the the passover is mentioned on the ten commandments. HE says, (i did this for you, so you do this for me)(I brought you out of PAGANISM and SIN.) a deeper study will show that in Daniel 9:27, that SACRIFICE and the OBLATION is to cease,(at the cross). we know that year was 31 AD. Daniel 7:25, when we read that the little horn THINKS to change TIMES and law. (SABBATH) was 538 AD, so the early church kept the sabbath untill 538 AD, when what about TIMES? WE focus on laws and neglect times. use your STRONGS and look up times (IT MEANS FEASTS!) the same word in GEN 1:14 the word SEASONS is the same, so the feasts had to be there for it to be changed. now the MOST revealing is in ISA 14:13 satain braggs. I will sit at the mount of the CONGREGATION. congreation is the same word (MO"EDS) FEASTS! (AND HE HAS CHANDED THEM) remember JESUS never called passover nothing else but passover.and in Matt 26:28-28, he gives us a new way of keeping it,he says its a new testament or covenant,and he wont do it again untill we do it again in his fathers kingdom.ther is not one mention of a bread or wine service in the new testiment that is not called, or refered to as the passover. and PENTICOST was after the cross.thats why Paul said in COLO 2:17 they are a shadow of things to come.and 1COR 5:8 there for let us keep the FEAST. the bottom line is Paul taught his gentile churchs to keep then, see AA 389-390.and pk 678(in the time of the end...)and maranatha 219, acts 27:9 remember its not a good thing being the church of Laodica REV 3:14 becouse the LORD said we need eye salve, so what is it we are not seeing. your friend dan

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  11. Galatians Chapter 4

    4:1 Now I say, [That] the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
    4:2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
    4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
    4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
    4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
    4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
    4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
    4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
    4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
    4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
    4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
    4:12 Brethren, I beseech you, be as I [am]; for I [am] as ye [are]: ye have not injured me at all.
    4:13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
    4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, [even] as Christ Jesus.
    4:15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if [it had been] possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.
    4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
    4:17 They zealously affect you, [but] not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them.
    4:18 But [it is] good to be zealously affected always in [a] good [thing], and not only when I am present with you.
    4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
    4:20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.
    4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
    4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
    4:23 But he [who was] of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman [was] by promise.
    4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
    4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
    4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
    4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, [thou] barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
    4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
    4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him [that was born] after the Spirit, even so [it is] now.
    4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
    4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

    Chapter 5

    5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.


    I think this should settle the issue.

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  12. verse 8 is the key and if you do your own home work you'll find if you use a strong"s on verse 10s list compaired to colo 2:16s list you will find that Gala 4:10 is not talking about Gods feasts ,but just wasting you time. Plus Paul would never call Gods feasts (NO gods).and verse 11 says they will be lost if they keep the PAGAN holidays. just like today. your friend dan.

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  13. Any issue of the Bible that causes such a stir, is usually one of great importance and the majority is usually wrong. Check the Bible for your doctrine and let the Holy Spirit guide you into all truth, He will, not men.
    I was taught as a Seventh Day Adventist that the feasts were nailed to the cross, but that makes no sense when you believe that there are health and diet laws, statutes against homosexuality, beastiality, rape, incest,for quarrentine,sanitation, tithing, etc. The Spirit of Prophecy backs the feasts, even though Ellen White said she didn't have all the light then, doesn't mean we can't understand it now. I don't beleive that we have to talk Hebrew or dress like the Jews, we definitely are NOT supposed to kill lambs, butthe feast are a part of His Holy days and we are commanded to keep them. Through history we see that when the Isrealites didn't keep His covenant, there were always consequences, still today we would find the blessing in being obedient because we love the Lord and want to please Him. It's not our salvation, it's a privilage that He wants to spend time with us!

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  14. I found a internet streaming channel that for a sda person who is seeking mite enjoy (bibleexplorations.com)

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  15. Now that Gods holidays are over for the year, and we enjoy the harvest. I have a parable to tell you. In a town long ago, a very wise and evil man had three ugly daughters, One was as ugly as himself, and the others were twins, because of their fathers ugliness’ and wickedness all three were the same, Now the good mayor of that town had warned the people not even to look upon the daughters for wife’s because they would become complacent, then corrupt. Eventually the suitors came, and when they saw the twins ugliness’ they ran. In the course of time the wise and evil man had an ideal, then the suitors came the next time, He would show the ugliest one first, that way the other two would seem pleasant. Eventually He married the off. HAPPY HOLLOWEEN.

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  16. Feast are not ceremonial. What was dont on that day was ceremonial such as sacrifices, priest services, etc but the day is a day of gathering to gether to worship the Lord.

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  17. In the bible there are Linguistic Indicators to distinguish the The Holy Seventh Day Sabbath From the Feast Days. The desigations For the Seventh Day Weekly Sabbaths are: "The""My" "Holy" "Cyclical" Note Usage in following Texts:Exodus 16:23
    16:25
    16:26
    16:29
    20:8
    20:10
    20:11
    31:13
    31:14
    Leviticus
    19:3
    19:30
    23:3
    23:11
    23:15
    23:16
    23:38
    numbers
    15:32
    28:9
    28:10
    28:10
    Deuteronomy
    5:12
    5:14
    5:15
    Note the Linguistic Indicators For Feast Days :
    Ceremonial Sabbaths are refered to as: "Your Sabbaths"," Her Sabbath"," A Sabbath" "Afflicts, Weeks""Land'
    Leviticus
    16:31 day of atonement
    23:15
    23:32
    23:32
    25:2 sabbatical year
    25:4
    25:6

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    1. have you not read what it says in LEV 23:2-3 and LEV 23:38

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  18. The Hebrews Taught By Literary Device Called Chiasms. This is a literary Device That has Sharp Contrasts. Note Usage in Col 2:16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
    Paul Beging with Spring Feast: Passover, Unleavned Bread, Wave Sheaf Offering, which are yearly, Then He goes to monthly, then the sharp contrast or turn he goes back to yearly a chiasm "or Sabbath days" which are :Trumphets, Atonement, Tabernacles, which are fall feasts.
    Col 2:16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the Col 2:16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
    new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
    Paul uses terms Heorte to refer to three joyous feasts Passover, Pentecost, tabernacles, and He used the term Sabbata to cover the two sacred Occasions of Trumpets and Atonement.
    Paul was using the Hosea model of feast, new moon or Sabbath in Hosea 2:11.’
    Jon Paulien points out the blowing of the seven trumpets near the center of revelation 8-9,11. alludes to the seven monthly new moon feasts that climaxed in the feasts of tabernacles , marking transition between spring and fall feasts. feast of trumpets falling on first day of seventh month corresponding to the seventh trumpet led to time of judgment that brought in the day of atonement rev 11:18-19.
    Hsa 2:11I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts. Hag refer to three annual feasts passover/Unleaven bread, weeks/Pentecost/first fruits, feasts of booths tabChiasms is a pair of contrasting ideas that suddenly reverse direction like partners in a square dance.
    Colossians 2:21.
    Jesus died on Passover, rested in grave on Sabbath first day of unleavened bread, and rose on Sunday first fruits Pentecost from first fruits.
    ernacle.
    Chiasms is a pair of contrasting ideas that suddenly reverse direction like partners in a square dance.
    Colossians 2:21.
    Jesus died on Passover, rested in grave on Sabbath first day of unleavened bread, and rose on Sunday first fruits Pentecost from first fruits.
    The day of atonement tenth day of seventh month could fall on any day of the week but must be as sacred as seventh day Sabbath. The Sabbath day a day joy.


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  19. The day of atonement afflict your souls examination. Leviticus 16:30-33. removal of sin not afflicted should be cut off Leviticus 23:29.
    As they departed from God, the Jews in great degree lost sight of the teachings of the ritual service. That service had been instituted by Christ Himself. In every part it was a symbol of Him; and it had been full of vitality and spiritual beauty. But the Jews lost the spiritual life from their ceremonies, and clung to the dead forms.
    They trusted to the sacrifices and ordinances themselves, instead of resting upon Him to whom they pointed. In order to supply the place of that which they had
    lost, the priests and rabbis multiplied requirements of their own; and the more rigid they grew, the less of the love of God was manifested. They measured their holiness by the multitude of their ceremonies, while their hearts were filled with pride and hypocrisy. (DA 29)
    The ordinances which God Himself had appointed were made the means of blinding the mind and hardening the heart. God could do no more for man through these channels. The whole system must beswept away. (DA 36)
    Christ was standing at the point of transition between two economies and their two great festivals. He, the spotless Lamb of God, was about to present Himself as a sin offering, that He would thus bring Christ was standing at the point of transition between two economies and their two great festivals. He, the spotless Lamb of God, was about to present Himself as a sin offering, that He would thus bring memorial of His great sacrifice. The national festival of the Jews was to pass away forever. The service which Christ established was to be observed by His followers in all lands and through all ages. (DA 652).

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  20. the problem with Laodiceans is they think they are rich...... but the Lord say's they are blind and ...... and they are stuck in a box. they have more truth than ant other church, but JESUS stands out side and has to knock, asking to come in. and if they won't HE will spue them out of his mouth and they will become as the other churches. REMEMBER ye the law of MOSES my servant, which i commanded unto him in HOREB for all of ISREAL, with the statutes and judgments. Behold i will send you ELIJAH...MALACHI 4:4-6

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  21. in chapter 72 (in remembrance of me) What is being shown here is there is TWO great festivals and TWO great economies, the old way will pass away forever and the new way was instituted.JESUS never called it nothing but the passover. and when the papal church took the name from it and did it daily, it lost its annual significance. some churches do it weekly some monthly ,some quarterly,but it should be done in his season once a year. proof, were in the book of ACTS in a bread and wine communion service taking place? not one. the only time you see this happening is Pauls churches and its called the passover. remember in daniel 7:25 TIMES and LAWS are two different things they went forward to be changed.Daniel 9:26 says what was nailed to the cross.

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  22. AMEN! In Colossians 2:1 Who is this conflict addressing ? Why would God put this subject in the bible for the lastdays????????

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  23. HI Everyone. I am going to post in two lots to be able to fit it all in. I am reading this forum with much interest. I am a born and raised adventist who has recently discovered the significance of the feasts. Until now i thought i was alone in this within Advent cirlces so it is really intriguing to find others under the same conviction. I began to engage with a messianic group in order to learn how and when to keep the feasts and I was also interested in learning the Torah the way they learnt it. I have now been through a full year for feast keeping and i do believe I have been blessed by answering God/YHWH's call to meet him on his appointed times and this year will be the first year our family is NOT having Christmas. Through meeting him on these appointed times he has been revealing to me so much more of himself.....But having said that I am in somewhat of a quandry because the natural progression from that stage of believing in keeping the feasts is to then look at what else we have been NOT doing and if the feasts are still applicable then what about everything else...it's enough to make your head spin and it has totally made my head spin. Nobody (even those in the messianic movement can agree with each other and there is so much division. There is a lot of dogmatism and the joy seems to be lost and the love also seems to be gone. There is so much focus on the letter of the law that it feels like a bondage to me. The natural progression is then to start wanting to do all things Hebrew and thinking you have to learn the language and only address God by Hebrew names and the new testiment comes under attack as does many other things once held as truth. If it were possible, faith itself would have been questioned and in fact was for a fleating moment. I have even been directly told that because I was NOT following Torah, the way they saw it and using the correct names for God I was worshiping Satan. This was a big huge red flag for me that fully stopped me in my tracks. I can not accept that all the good things I have acknowledged God for in my life have been given to me at the hand of satan, prayers directly andswered by satan in a way that fulled my heart with joy. To me that is blashemy.

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  24. . I cannot however go back to the status quo as i have learnt so many things and i feel god is telling me over and over not to get my 'doctrine' from men and not to put my trust in any one person or system to find my answers but directly from him. He has and is placing people in my path to assist me to be an effective puzzle maker (precept upon precept- not man upon man)and there is truth to be found. I have recently been blessed by the writings of Jonathon Gray on two matters particularly and they are that the whole bible is trustworthy and all the books that are in it are actually the only ones supposed to be in and the proof of that is in the codes that are found threaded through all 66 books hebrew and greek the same in a way that man could not duplicate (there still may be some english words that need their original meaning looked closer at but thats ok) and the other is that even the demons recognise the authority of the name of Jesus as spoken in english. It is not a name for Zeus or Baal. Jesus is the same as Yeshua. these two facts have helped to restore my faith in the validity of my worship and faith before learningt hese other names. So i am hoping that one of you out there may be able to help me fill in this next puzzle piece- so in summary I do feel inspired to observe the feasts (not necessarily in a ceremonial way because we are not able to fully do that, but in a remeberance and thinking on the future context of the day. Giving time to these matters that the festivals represent and allowing myself to be ministered to by God himself on his appointed times)but i really am desiring to know when does faith become works and what is the balance here and how can i find it. How can i observe the things of God while maintaining the freedom of spirit, the love and the joy and not get fixated on the letter of the law and the works which lead to such extremisms and do much damage. It is my only one desire to do as God wants nothing else.

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    1. dear friend, this may help, i am with a group of bible believing feast keeping Ellen white studying group of Adventist believers,who is letting only God direct our path, if you will go to the internet and watch http://www.bibleexplorations.com/streaming.php?sdate=2011-10-31 and see if this is what you are looking for, and if it is call them and they will tell you were we are or were you can find the nearest company of believers. your friend dan.

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  25. thank you. i have found that site helpful and very interesting

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    1. I am sorry to hear that.

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  26. The Bible differentiates between the Law of Moses and the Law of God (the Ten Commandments). Sometimes this distinction is perfectly clear, sometimes it is not.
    With respect to the Law of Moses in Acts 15 it is perfectly clear that it is the Law of Moses and Circumcision that are specific issues being considered at the Jerusalem Council.
    “5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses
    The decision with regard to these specific issues is perfectly clear, and as far as I know it is indisputable. The Feasts, Temple Services, Ordinances, Sacrifice’s, Slavery, Indentured Servitude, Jubilee, the entire Hebrew economy, the ENTIRE Law of Moses has met its end in the Life, Death, and Resurrection of Jesus the Christ.
    (4) things ONLY remain from the Law of Moses.
    “28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
    That’s it! Nothing more, and nothing less. Circumcision and The Law of Moses are no longer required for anyone. The Law of God was certainly not the topic of the meeting and is in no way diminished by the decision of the Jerusalem Council.
    Romans 14 will confirm that you should not be condemned if you observe sabbath days or dietary laws from the Law of Moses. But you should also not condemn the one who does not observe these things.
    It is interesting to note that although Paul was one of the men appointed to deliver the letter and testify about the verdict, the next thing we read in Acts is that he circumcises Timothy before going to deliver the letter about Circumcision and the Law of Moses. Why does he do that when the council has just made it perfectly clear that Circumcision and the Law of Moses are no longer required? Because he is afraid that non-circumcision might be a stumbling block for the Jews he is going to visit. ??
    The Jerusalem Council did not say that the Law of Moses and Circuicision must not be practiced, only that it should not be required. Please read Romans 14 before judging your brother about these things or letting your brother judge you either.

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  27. wow this say it from the bible. http://godsholidays.com/armageddon.pdf

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  28. Much can be learned by the behavior of the people who pressure others on the feasts; if they are judgmental and even fighting, then the Spirit is not in it.
    As Paul said, one should not be judged by these things. He didn't say they couldn't do them. I see them as being similar to a religious retreat. They can be valued as a time to get in touch with our spiritual ancestors and heritage. They can be a spiritual blessing as in a retreat. They are a symbol of what Jesus has fulfilled for us, and we can learn from them. But they are NOT required. And certainly they are not necessary for our salvation or that would be works.
    Even the ten commandments can be works if we think they save us. But they are important for a successful life and the Sabbath stands for Christ's work for us.

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    1. Lets say God asked us to wash his dishes, most people would not,some people would wash them with no problem, but some, will know him so well they would wash the dishes the cups and the silverware and rinse out the sink. How sad this would offend the ones who only want to do the lease.

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  29. It's not a matter of pressuring people into keeping God's annual holy days, or it shouldn't be. No one should "pressure" someone into keeping those days, nor should anyone keep them because they feel pressured.

    God commands that we love our neighbors as ourselves (Matthew 22:34-40). This love includes giving warnings to those headed towards disaster (Proverbs 24:11).

    It is a matter of those who understand that the holy days are required teaching and helping to warn those who do not keep them for their own good.

    Salvation is a free gift - you cannot earn it by good works. Nevertheless, salvation is only given to those who repent, and to repent means making the commitment to believe and obey God in everything. That includes the annual holy days. That is why Christ said, if you want eternal life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17).

    There is an article on Pentecost someplace on the Internet, something about the meaning of Pentecost or the secret of Pentecost - you can find it if you search - that shows that God is going to punish our nations for our sins with a punishment so severe that most will die and almost everyone will go through intense suffering, and this punishment will come upon us not only for our sins of immorality, abortion, lying, but also for sabbath breaking including profaning God's annual sabbath days.

    This isn't just an academic issue. It is serious business.

    Anyone who studies this issue with an open mind in the Bible, looking at both sides, can see that the annual holy days are still to be observed today, if he is willing to believe what God says. The problem is, most are not willing to believe God.

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  38. I came out of typical feast-keeping, realizing it to be a colossal blunder. Don't trust what authors such as Vandenburg, Drake, and Manfredine feed you. There is a lot of out of context quoting of inspiration and you aren't getting the whole story. Please, before you get all caught up in this, do a LOT of homework, checking out everything in its context. We are now in the ANTITYPICAL DAY, inaugurated by Christ our Passover who has been sacrificed. "Therefore," says Paul, "let us keep the feast--NOT with the old leaven!" Do not wrest Paul's meaning. He was not a typical feast-keeper as they will try to tell you. He went down to "keep the feast" much as we would go home for Christmas. Not that we believe in Christmas, but that is what everyone is doing and we have the occasion to meet with our friends and family. The feast-keeping did not disappear overnight but took time to fade out. So, for further study please contact straub@direct.ca for some research papers. Thanks.

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